Interview of Ken Kaplan, Ben Baker, and Ryugen Fisher (That Old Frog)in St. Louis Missouri, January of 2004. Hour 2. Discussion of Fidonet politics, internal issues, triumphs of engineering, influence of Fidonet. Covers calling old ladies by mistake, IFNA, Fidonet Cons, the troubles involved with running it. Shot in the same living room in which Fidonet's main implementation was created, at Ken Kaplan's house. It was during this portion of the interview that Ryugen Fisher (That Old Frog) arrived and joined the other two in the interview couch.